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Give me your human powerlevels
Topic Started: Jan 4 2013, 12:53 AM (1,837 Views)
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I don't understand why people give Yamcha such giant gains. He didn't bother to enter the 25th Budokai, while Krillin, the family man, did. It's clear as day that he didn't train fo' sh**.
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Jan 4 2013, 06:28 PM
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Jan 4 2013, 06:02 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 4 2013, 05:45 PM
1. That doesn't prove humans > Base Saiyans.

2. That's like arguing Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin because of the Shin Kikoho. Um, Krillin doesn't have the attack, so they're not comparable. Same situation here.

3. You can't give a character a random boost just because - you aren't the author. There has to be a plot reason for it. If your boost for the humans ends up relatively the same as Piccolo's coincidentally, OK, but don't do it on purpose just because you think "why not." That's illogical and lazy.
I don’t see Tien attack having a ridiculous multiplier I would believe more that Tien power skyrocketed and surpassed base sayians. In namek krillin got a huge boost for no practical reason but he had it to be relevant and not to be completely dwarfed by other characters I think its the same thing for android.
Krillin got a boost to keep up with Gohan and Vegeta, who were getting zenkais. That is plot requirement. Tenshinhan getting a random boost because you say so, hm, tell me where the plot required that because you're just sounding like a pretty big fanboy with no logic right now.
Krillin didn't need to get a boost since he didn't even fight so it wasn't plot. Humans must have gotten a huge boost just like piccolo to appear to fight the androids in the first place. and the fact Tien held of semi cell just shows your ignoring evidence. Your just assuming the humans were weaker than the base sayians because that's how you think it should be you might as well assume piccolo was weaker to.
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Jan 4 2013, 06:47 PM
I don't understand why people give Yamcha such giant gains. He didn't bother to enter the 25th Budokai, while Krillin, the family man, did. It's clear as day that he didn't train fo' sh**.
i had yamcha losing 30% of his power between cell and buu. if you mean back when he was fighting, he trained just as hard as everyone else. he had retired after the cell games, which is why he didn't fight in the budokai. krillin needed the money to support his family, yamcha already has money. he's either mooching off bulma, or, if you go by the anime, he's a pro baseball player.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Freeza Saga

Krillen: 320,000
Tenshinhan: 110,000
Yamcha: 60,000
Chaozu: 30,000

Trunks Saga

Krillen: 320,000
Tenshinhan: 300,000
Yamcha: 130,000
Chaozu: 70,000

Android Saga:

Tenshinhan: 95,000,000
Krillen: 90,000,000
Yamcha: 30,000,000
Chaozu: 500,000

Buu Saga

Tenshinhan: 400,000,000
Krillen: 300,000,000
Yamcha: 40,000,000
Chaozu: 1,000,000

EOZ

Tenshinhan: 550,000,000
Krillen: 400,000,000
Yamcha: 40,000,000
Chaozu: 2,000,000
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Krillin didn't need to get a boost since he didn't even fight so it wasn't plot.

Jeez, that must've been an illusion who fought the Ginyu Force and was needed to beat 1st Form Freeza.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

Krillin's power was necessary. Perhaps you should re-evaluate what your definition of plot is if you honestly think Krillin's boost wasn't a plot device.
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Humans must have gotten a huge boost just like piccolo to appear to fight the androids in the first place.

Okay, I never denied this, but Piccolo got a much larger boost than the humans anyway.
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and the fact Tien held of semi cell just shows your ignoring evidence.

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Tenshinhan's stated to be trash compared to A19 and A20, just like anybody else that isn't Piccolo or a Super Saiyan. The Shin Kikoho does nothing for his power.
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Your just assuming the humans were weaker than the base sayians because that's how you think it should be you might as well assume piccolo was weaker to.

You're really grasping as straws if you're using that logic because it's blatantly shown and stated that Piccolo is above the Base Saiyans and not incredibly far from the Super Saiyans. The humans were not given such luxury, so why are they somehow above the Base Saiyans all of the sudden? The status quo does not change unless we're given statements or a blatant showing, none of which were provided for the humans. You're simply drawing conclusions from your own conjecture.
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Freeza Saga:
Krillin - 25,000
Tien - 20,000
Yamcha - 15,000
Chaotzu - 10,000

Android Saga:
Krillin - 75,000
Tien - 70,000
Yamcha - 100,000
Chaotzu - 15,000

Boo Saga:
Krillin - 60,000
Tien - 70,000
Yamcha - 90,000
Chaotzu - 15,000
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Jan 4 2013, 07:36 PM
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Krillin didn't need to get a boost since he didn't even fight so it wasn't plot.

Jeez, that must've been an illusion who fought the Ginyu Force and was needed to beat 1st Form Freeza.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

Krillin's power was necessary. Perhaps you should re-evaluate what your definition of plot is if you honestly think Krillin's boost wasn't a plot device.
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Humans must have gotten a huge boost just like piccolo to appear to fight the androids in the first place.

Okay, I never denied this, but Piccolo got a much larger boost than the humans anyway.
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and the fact Tien held of semi cell just shows your ignoring evidence.

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Tenshinhan's stated to be trash compared to A19 and A20, just like anybody else that isn't Piccolo or a Super Saiyan. The Shin Kikoho does nothing for his power.
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Your just assuming the humans were weaker than the base sayians because that's how you think it should be you might as well assume piccolo was weaker to.

You're really grasping as straws if you're using that logic because it's blatantly shown and stated that Piccolo is above the Base Saiyans and not incredibly far from the Super Saiyans. The humans were not given such luxury, so why are they somehow above the Base Saiyans all of the sudden? The status quo does not change unless we're given statements or a blatant showing, none of which were provided for the humans. You're simply drawing conclusions from your own conjecture.
Oh so piccolo in frizea saga was rivalling Base goku and vegeta he wasn’t even close to them let alone SSJ.

There is no evidence that piccolo got a bigger boost than the humans the fact tien held of semi cell is good enough evidence for this.

Krillin power boost wasn’t necessary since he never used his power against frizea it was pretty much to make krillin not look dwarfed upon which makes sense.

I never said tien was stronger than the androids I said he was stronger than base sayain he could be trash to the androids but that means nothing
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Oh so piccolo in frizea saga was rivalling Base goku and vegeta he wasn’t even close to them let alone SSJ.

In the Freeza Saga, Base Goku and Vegeta got giant zenkais.
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There is no evidence that piccolo got a bigger boost than the humans the fact tien held of semi cell is good enough evidence for this.

You have yet to understand the definition of circular logic, padawan.
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Krillin power boost wasn’t necessary since he never used his power against frizea it was pretty much to make krillin not look dwarfed upon which makes sense.

It doesn't matter if he didn't actively fight Freeza. He was supposed to be powerful enough so that if he had to, he could have.
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I never said tien was stronger than the androids I said he was stronger than base sayain he could be trash to the androids but that means nothing

I didn't say you said that. I was pointing out that Tenshinhan was never anything special in the saga, and neither were the Base Saiyans, but at least Gero actually commented that things would get interesting when Base Vegeta showed up (since Goku was down for the count), and the only fighter we later learn was suppressed was Piccolo. There is your statement, so get off this ridiculous notion.
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Jan 4 2013, 07:05 PM
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Jan 4 2013, 06:47 PM
I don't understand why people give Yamcha such giant gains. He didn't bother to enter the 25th Budokai, while Krillin, the family man, did. It's clear as day that he didn't train fo' sh**.
i had yamcha losing 30% of his power between cell and buu. if you mean back when he was fighting, he trained just as hard as everyone else. he had retired after the cell games, which is why he didn't fight in the budokai. krillin needed the money to support his family, yamcha already has money. he's either mooching off bulma, or, if you go by the anime, he's a pro baseball player.
I'm specifically referring to the gains between Cell Games and Boo Saga, plenty of people have him getting stronger by multifolds during that time period when it isn't suggested in the slightest. Back when he was fighting is a different story.
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